Derek Fisher recently went on The Full 48, a podcast run by Bleacher Report’s Howard Beck, to talk about Kobe Bryant’s upcoming jersey retirement and much more.

Derek and Beck talked about which number of Kobe’s they would retire if they had to choose (Beck took 8 while D-Fish took 24), stories from Kobe’s rookie season, the Kobe-Shaq feud and the “what if” if Karl Malone hadn’t gotten hurt in 2004.

To hear the whole podcast, click the link below and download the most recent episode.